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		<title>By: Me No Likey This &#171; Daria Black</title>
		<link>http://www.mandarinmusing.com/2007/07/14/if-i-could-walk-on-water-you%e2%80%99d-complain-i-can%e2%80%99t-swim/comment-page-1/#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>Me No Likey This &#171; Daria Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a whole â€˜nother picture doesnâ€™t it? Add to the fact that the Theme Viewer has its share of unscrupulous designers and getting a true sense of what the numbers mean becomes infinitely more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: archGFX Habari</title>
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		<dc:creator>archGFX Habari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a shame the whole debate went south. Scott, chris, HSO, mandarinmusing, and others turn out themes that make me wonder if i should give up web design, and leave it to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a shame the whole debate went south. Scott, chris, HSO, mandarinmusing, and others turn out themes that make me wonder if i should give up web design, and leave it to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: archGFX &#124; The State of the Word</title>
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		<dc:creator>archGFX &#124; The State of the Word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a shame the whole debate went south. Scott, chris, HSO, mandarinmusing, and others turn out themes that make me wonder if i should give up web design, and leave it to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a shame the whole debate went south. Scott, chris, HSO, mandarinmusing, and others turn out themes that make me wonder if i should give up web design, and leave it to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Me No Likey This</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me No Likey This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a whole â€˜nother picture doesnâ€™t it? Add to the fact that the Theme Viewer has its share of unscrupulous designers and getting a true sense of what the numbers mean becomes infinitely more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a whole â€˜nother picture doesnâ€™t it? Add to the fact that the Theme Viewer has its share of unscrupulous designers and getting a true sense of what the numbers mean becomes infinitely more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fellow in question was graceful enough to resign when the point was raised. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Situation diffused. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fellow in question was graceful enough to resign when the point was raised. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Situation diffused. <img src='http://www.mandarinmusing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hso</title>
		<link>http://www.mandarinmusing.com/2007/07/14/if-i-could-walk-on-water-you%e2%80%99d-complain-i-can%e2%80%99t-swim/comment-page-1/#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator>hso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jez

You need to grow up before I can talk to you. We are having an adult conversation here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jez</p>
<p>You need to grow up before I can talk to you. We are having an adult conversation here.</p>
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		<title>By: jez</title>
		<link>http://www.mandarinmusing.com/2007/07/14/if-i-could-walk-on-water-you%e2%80%99d-complain-i-can%e2%80%99t-swim/comment-page-1/#comment-1778</link>
		<dc:creator>jez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the nominees in the categories best ass, best linking and best person talked crap about. you know where you can read my take. 
anyway, whatever..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the nominees in the categories best ass, best linking and best person talked crap about. you know where you can read my take.<br />
anyway, whatever..</p>
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		<title>By: hso</title>
		<link>http://www.mandarinmusing.com/2007/07/14/if-i-could-walk-on-water-you%e2%80%99d-complain-i-can%e2%80%99t-swim/comment-page-1/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>hso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bret</p>
<p>The issue is not that of an individual, you donâ€™t have to believe anything, however, the confessions made here alone should suffice as evidence. We have no vested interest in calling people out, we did at one point feel they screwed us, but we have put that past us and we only want to focus on the future. The points listed here are only to show there are other â€œreal issuesâ€? that need to be looked into, lets try and address that instead on focusing on people.</p>
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		<title>By: Opening A Dirty Can Of Worms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opening A Dirty Can Of Worms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If I could walk on water, youâ€™d complain I canâ€™t swim [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why it matters. Even if they remove them from the official sites, they&#039;re still gonna be found on the author sites and they&#039;re still gonna get used. So what&#039;s the point in even trying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why it matters. Even if they remove them from the official sites, they&#8217;re still gonna be found on the author sites and they&#8217;re still gonna get used. So what&#8217;s the point in even trying?</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and informative post. I blogged this morning with my thoughts on the sponsored theme debate but was unaware of some of your points when I did.  I am a bit concerned about some of your points. You certainly have no problems naming names and stating their abuse of the system; however, I may have missed it, but I didn&#039;t see any &quot;proof.&quot; I&#039;m not trying to defend the alleged violators, I&#039;m just trying to be fair.  Some of your accusations are very strong, I just wish you would have shared the evidence for these claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and informative post. I blogged this morning with my thoughts on the sponsored theme debate but was unaware of some of your points when I did.  I am a bit concerned about some of your points. You certainly have no problems naming names and stating their abuse of the system; however, I may have missed it, but I didn&#8217;t see any &#8220;proof.&#8221; I&#8217;m not trying to defend the alleged violators, I&#8217;m just trying to be fair.  Some of your accusations are very strong, I just wish you would have shared the evidence for these claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnathan Lyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnathan Lyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You provide some solid points; well worth the read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You provide some solid points; well worth the read.</p>
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		<title>By: Small Potato Is A Douchebag! &#187; WPDesigner</title>
		<link>http://www.mandarinmusing.com/2007/07/14/if-i-could-walk-on-water-you%e2%80%99d-complain-i-can%e2%80%99t-swim/comment-page-1/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator>Small Potato Is A Douchebag! &#187; WPDesigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If I could walk on water, you&#8217;d complain I can&#8217;t swim [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If I could walk on water, you&#8217;d complain I can&#8217;t swim [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.mandarinmusing.com/2007/07/14/if-i-could-walk-on-water-you%e2%80%99d-complain-i-can%e2%80%99t-swim/comment-page-1/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Scott

You may also contact hso for verifiable information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Scott</p>
<p>You may also contact hso for verifiable information.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joni,

I must tell you this that in the past 4-5 months, I&#039;ve spent a lot of time along with hso removing so many duplicates and ripoffs even without a Report button.

So, I don&#039;t think a report button is all you need, you need someone who will actually take action after reporting or have the willingness to help others and the ability to check ripoffs even without being reported, on a day-to-day basis. 

Some of the ripoffs were so blatant that those who copied even copied the names of the original designers and commented it out.

I agree with democracy, though democracy without any checks and balances would be a place like Iraq. 

When it comes to work, users who make so much noise do nothing, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joni,</p>
<p>I must tell you this that in the past 4-5 months, I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time along with hso removing so many duplicates and ripoffs even without a Report button.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t think a report button is all you need, you need someone who will actually take action after reporting or have the willingness to help others and the ability to check ripoffs even without being reported, on a day-to-day basis. </p>
<p>Some of the ripoffs were so blatant that those who copied even copied the names of the original designers and commented it out.</p>
<p>I agree with democracy, though democracy without any checks and balances would be a place like Iraq. </p>
<p>When it comes to work, users who make so much noise do nothing, period.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Everton,

When did I say I&#039;m against sponsored themes? I&#039;m against poorly coded, duplicated themes and ripoffs.

Let me publicly tell everyone that you were the &quot;only&quot; one, who actually took the onus for down-rating and did make amendments and I appreciate your courage to come out clean. 

I merely quoted you here just as a tongue-in-cheek remark to point out the double standards of those who criticize others all the time just because they are/were in a position of power, case in point, Ajay being an author on WLTC. 

I&#039;m not against anyone personally.

As far as the sponsored themes are concerned, if Matt wants to remove them, fine, you have to take it up with him, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Everton,</p>
<p>When did I say I&#8217;m against sponsored themes? I&#8217;m against poorly coded, duplicated themes and ripoffs.</p>
<p>Let me publicly tell everyone that you were the &#8220;only&#8221; one, who actually took the onus for down-rating and did make amendments and I appreciate your courage to come out clean. </p>
<p>I merely quoted you here just as a tongue-in-cheek remark to point out the double standards of those who criticize others all the time just because they are/were in a position of power, case in point, Ajay being an author on WLTC. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against anyone personally.</p>
<p>As far as the sponsored themes are concerned, if Matt wants to remove them, fine, you have to take it up with him, not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good, good. Shouldn&#039;t worried about the sponsors, since they&#039;re simply providing the funds to reward the participating designers. They don&#039;t have any input on competition policies or procedures.

I&#039;m still looking in to the one judge you mentioned, trying to find out if there&#039;s anything verifiable out there. I&#039;ve also contacted Thomas (of Theme Viewer fame) and he&#039;s gotten back to me. Let&#039;s see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, good. Shouldn&#8217;t worried about the sponsors, since they&#8217;re simply providing the funds to reward the participating designers. They don&#8217;t have any input on competition policies or procedures.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still looking in to the one judge you mentioned, trying to find out if there&#8217;s anything verifiable out there. I&#8217;ve also contacted Thomas (of Theme Viewer fame) and he&#8217;s gotten back to me. Let&#8217;s see.</p>
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		<title>By: Joni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve watched and commented on the sponsored theme issue for awhile. I also bore witness to the incredible lack of patience and understanding displayed by some users at themes.wordpress.net when its former administrator had difficulties keeping up with the site.  Yep, there was plenty of bellyaching and precious little stepping up to the plate to help unburden him. 

But isn&#039;t that just proof that 10% of the people indeed do 90% of the work?

Mindful of the fact that the domain belongs to Matt and/or WordPress and he/it can run it as he/they see fit, if it is a site that is supposed to be for the benefit of the community, it should be run a little more like a democracy and less like a fascist dictatorship or kingdom.

Only then will WP users have true freedom of choice. Right now, they have what is doled out to them.  But .. at least that beats a sharp stick in the eye.

And I am heartened to see a Report This button which will allow the community to help somewhat with housekeeping tasks, yet shudder at the same time to think that people will be hitting that button for reasons having nothing to do with reporting duplicate or infringing themes.  

I&#039;ll be under my rock if anyone needs me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve watched and commented on the sponsored theme issue for awhile. I also bore witness to the incredible lack of patience and understanding displayed by some users at themes.wordpress.net when its former administrator had difficulties keeping up with the site.  Yep, there was plenty of bellyaching and precious little stepping up to the plate to help unburden him. </p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t that just proof that 10% of the people indeed do 90% of the work?</p>
<p>Mindful of the fact that the domain belongs to Matt and/or WordPress and he/it can run it as he/they see fit, if it is a site that is supposed to be for the benefit of the community, it should be run a little more like a democracy and less like a fascist dictatorship or kingdom.</p>
<p>Only then will WP users have true freedom of choice. Right now, they have what is doled out to them.  But .. at least that beats a sharp stick in the eye.</p>
<p>And I am heartened to see a Report This button which will allow the community to help somewhat with housekeeping tasks, yet shudder at the same time to think that people will be hitting that button for reasons having nothing to do with reporting duplicate or infringing themes.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be under my rock if anyone needs me.</p>
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		<title>By: Everton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record any link that Ajay may have to my site has been added without me asking becuase he is a friend.  I have a similar link to his site from mine for exactly the same reasons.

As for me downgrading other sites - yes this was very stupid of me and I have already made ammends for this.

On to my final point.  I see that your relationship with the WordPress themes site is now out in the open.  In my view this means that if you have a problem with sponsored themes then you should just ban them outright from the theme viewer, rather than whinging about them on your personal blog.  You can&#039;t let themes onto the site that you don&#039;t like, and then criticise them publicly on your blog.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s either ethical or very professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record any link that Ajay may have to my site has been added without me asking becuase he is a friend.  I have a similar link to his site from mine for exactly the same reasons.</p>
<p>As for me downgrading other sites &#8211; yes this was very stupid of me and I have already made ammends for this.</p>
<p>On to my final point.  I see that your relationship with the WordPress themes site is now out in the open.  In my view this means that if you have a problem with sponsored themes then you should just ban them outright from the theme viewer, rather than whinging about them on your personal blog.  You can&#8217;t let themes onto the site that you don&#8217;t like, and then criticise them publicly on your blog.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s either ethical or very professional.</p>
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		<title>By: hso</title>
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		<dc:creator>hso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lorelle

It&#039;s a big and pleasant surprise to see someone actually acknowledging our efforts.  Thank you.

I would like to acknowledge my gratitude to Thomas, the Undersigned, for entrusting me with the responsibility in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lorelle</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a big and pleasant surprise to see someone actually acknowledging our efforts.  Thank you.</p>
<p>I would like to acknowledge my gratitude to Thomas, the Undersigned, for entrusting me with the responsibility in the first place.</p>
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